mk3 :)

[NathanHo]

mk 3 :-

1.love the car
2.love how she drives
3.love how she looks
4.hate being killed by 18 year old boys in clio sports bought with their student loans !

more power needed how what and where !?

[oddshoes]

Forced induction

either turbo or supercharger

[NathanHo]

i was thinking that ! what you recons easiest too mantain ? super or tubby ? i was thinking about v6 roar power aswel ?!

[adam3442]

I dare say a 172 will stay with you on the twisties too..

[iLogik]

Depends how much your willing to spend. If I had the choice Id stay N/A, If I had a big budget I would go for a 2grfe, if you want quick bang for the buck go turbo, if you want fun, reliability revvy fun get a 2zz.

[cabbydave]

Get a V6 in it

[Wabbitkilla]

N/A tuning ... expensive and limited options.
V6 conversion ... major chassis surgery but sweet result
Turbo ... probably the most cost effective route to power, 1zz is good for up to 300bhp without internal mods.
Supercharge .... same as turbo but scarce and unproven.

Most people are more than happy with 200 - 280bhp/tonne from a turbo

[NathanHo]

ahh some replies thanks

yeahh anyone no wat a v6 conversion consists of ? more to the point how much and how hard will a turbo be ?

also what is this 2zz i hear so much about ? thanks kind people !


p.s no not in the twisties hahaa

[antnkel]

Best place to get info on the v6 is twobrutal

[Wabbitkilla]

2zz = 2zz-ge engine from the Celica T-Sport and some other T-sport cars, plus Lotus use it.
It uses VVLTi and revs to 9000rpm producing 190bhp (ish) in standard form.

A solid engine, which needs and engine mount moving and a couple of other small mods, some wiring too and a nice ecu.
Not as intrusive to the car as a V6 but works a treat.

[iLogik]

Here is a 2zz car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRJl17oG-ho


I have owned both a tuned 1zz, turbo 1zz and a 2zz I enjoy the 2zz the most, its not the quickest, and its not got the most torque, but once you get 6k it makes you smile like a chesire cat.

Im running my engine with the stock celica ecu so it does not have to become the most expensive conversion, if you o it I would go for a power fc, if you do decide on the power fc option look to spend aroun 3.5k.

I paid £1500 for my engine and 6 speed box, conversion came in at £1600, but I didn't have an engine in the car at the time so worked out a bit cheaper due to that and a bit more due to bits missing. That included mot ect so would have to check my paper work.

Other swap bits I bought were engine mount and dipstick (£70) Manifold (£250) custom induction kit £80.

Turbo route is good, you can pick up turbos for as little as £1200, there is one for sale atm for £1600 that has a piggy back ecu with it and exhaust so is very well priced.

Factor in money for a new clutch + fitting up to £500
Factor in Mapping if the set up is not quite the same £300-500

Turbo fitting I paid £350 for drive in drive out service.

[Protok]

Now I know people jump down my throat about it but have you given thought to the beams?

I've always thought it would be great for the mk3, 200PS & 210Nm; more powerful than the 2zz and easier to drive. I saw one at Rogue about a year ago, N/A going up to 9000rpm
It also weighs around the same as the 1ZZFE so you would change your car's weight much.

As far as I know all that is needed is rewiring, downpipe and engine mount. If you are sensible and smart, you can have it done for under 2k.

Quoted from Mr Chapman:
1 - Reduce weight
2 - Less weight requires less power
3 - Less power means engine can be smaller
4 - Smaller engine does not need such a heavy frame or drivetrain
5 - Lighter frame and drivetrain reduces weight
6 - Go to 1 again

[iLogik]

Like the 3SGTE I think it require a fair amount of work to fit the beams and it is not as straight forward as you would like to think. Im guessing it will need the firewall cutting back like the v6 conversions and 3sgte installs.

[Protok]

Like the 3SGTE I think it require a fair amount of work to fit the beams and it is not as straight forward as you would like to think. Im guessing it will need the firewall cutting back like the v6 conversions and 3sgte installs.

I didn't think it required the firewall cutting, it's a bit smaller than the 3SGTE and about half the size of the 3VZ. I would be scared of hitting the sump off speed bumps more than anything.

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1005068
Some information there that could prove useful and also some pictures. It doesn't look like the beams required firewall cutting on there.