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3SGE Rev 3 UK - JAP differences - Lambda

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Hi All,

I've had a Japanese Rev3 3SGE in my UK mk2 rev2 for a while now and had thought they were the same as the UK rev3s. But when looking for hints on Lambda sensor part numbers I came across a post here which stated the early rev1 Japanese motors had a different kind of Lambda sensor than the UK ones.

Have I been wrong all along in thinking UK and Japanese Rev3 3SGEs had the same spec parts?
For my current problem: does anyone know if there are differences in Lambda sensor between UK and Japanese Rev3 NAs?
And lastly, is there any chance anyone here knows the VIN of a Japanese Rev3 NA that I could use to hunt parts down with?

Thanks in advance! :)
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I can't see why the O2 sensor would be different between models. Generally, narrowband sensors are either 3 wire or if they have a heater 5 wire type.

I have a JDM Gen 3 rev 4 NA with a VIN- SW20-0107286 if its any help.

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jdm rev1 so prob rev2 also had heater ! well my rev 1 did !
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benckj wrote: 18/03/19 20:08 I can't see why the O2 sensor would be different between models. Generally, narrowband sensors are either 3 wire or if they have a heater 5 wire type.

I have a JDM Gen 3 rev 4 NA with a VIN- SW20-0107286 if its any help.
Hi benckj,

Thanks for the reply!
When you say you have a Gen 3 rev 4 NA: do you mean you have a Mk2 rev 3 vehicle with a rev4 motor in it?

Thanks for sharing the VIN too!
If your vehicle is a JDM rev3 that should help me get the right part for my motor I hope! :th:
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Its a 1996 JDM Gen 3, revision 4.
Rev 4 is more or less cosmetic changes as they used the same NA engine as Rev 3.
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benckj wrote: 18/03/19 22:54 Its a 1996 JDM Gen 3, revision 4.
Rev 4 is more or less cosmetic changes as they used the same NA engine as Rev 3.
Bit of difference in how you describe it, I've never seen (in the UK) Generation (+number) used to describe a MK2, only Revision (+number)

https://www.mr2oc.co.uk/know-your-2/mk2 ... bartid=102

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That’s correct. Didn’t get the rev 4 or 5 in the UK so not surprised on listing. My other car is a 98 rev 5 GT. Engine & drive train is basically a gen3 though.
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benckj wrote: 19/03/19 7:25 That’s correct. Didn’t get the rev 4 or 5 in the UK so not surprised on listing. My other car is a 98 rev 5 GT. Engine & drive train is basically a gen3 though.
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Japan market Rev3 chassis with Gen3 3SGE: 11/93 to 11/95 89465-29815, 11/95 on 89465-19705
http://japan-parts.eu/toyota/jp/1995/mr ... uter#89465

UK market Rev3 chassis with Gen3 3SGE: 89465-29825
http://japan-parts.eu/toyota/eu/1994/mr ... uter#89465

Not sure what the difference is. Have a look at the plug on your one, if it's the same as the UK one (Denso DOX-0226) then it should work:

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Edit: Also give alternative PN 89465-17140 for Japan market, which returns DOX-0226 on the Denso catalogue, same as UK market.
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Or you can get DOX-0101, which has no connector on it - you reuse your existing connector.
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SonicSW20 wrote: 19/03/19 13:00 Japan market Rev3 chassis with Gen3 3SGE: 11/93 to 11/95 89465-29815, 11/95 on 89465-19705
http://japan-parts.eu/toyota/jp/1995/mr ... uter#89465

UK market Rev3 chassis with Gen3 3SGE: 89465-29825
http://japan-parts.eu/toyota/eu/1994/mr ... uter#89465

Not sure what the difference is. Have a look at the plug on your one, if it's the same as the UK one (Denso DOX-0226) then it should work:

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Edit: Also give alternative PN 89465-17140 for Japan market, which returns DOX-0226 on the Denso catalogue, same as UK market.
Wow, SonicSW20, fantastic information thank you!

I hadn't come across this site before but that will really help me out! :th:
I unfortunately don't have access to the car again until the weekend but will check the plugs then and get the right one ordered up.


Just for others information:
I talked to the ever helpful Paul from tcbparts today and his input was that Rev3 JDM and UK cars do have quite some differences in some of the motor control electronics, but that the Lambda sensors were the same, at least for the Rev3.

He also shared an amusing anecdote that the JDM cars have a cat temperature sensor to inform the drivers that their steel cat has already melted - doesn't seem to be connected to and control circuit, only seems to trigger a light on the dash :D


Workshop Manual:
Just in case one has come to light, is there a JDM Rev3 NA workshop manual that people have gotten hold of? (Yes, even in Japanese!)
I have a pdf of an American workshop manual for the '91 with the 5S-FE and 3S-GTE which is good for body stuff but doesn't help so much with the electronic test methods if the components are different.

Cheers again!
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He also shared an amusing anecdote that the JDM cars have a cat temperature sensor to inform the drivers that their steel cat has already melted - doesn't seem to be connected to and control circuit, only seems to trigger a light on the dash :D
Yes this was only on the NA version and temp probe was to give an indication of CAT being plugged. Only throws up an idiot light and if you continue to drive it will go into melt down mode.
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Thanks Jimi!
And to all those hosting material for the good of others! :th:

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