Not true, I think you will find it didn't exist in the earlier models like mine in 1990 and was an option in later models from 93 onwards.Not all Turbos have an LSD gearbox.
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LSD was an option on Rev2s and standard on JDM Rev3 onwards.
I have seen differing opinions on whether it was an option on Rev1s.
Anyway, the OP has a Rev2 so his gearbox may, or may not, have one.
Judging by this straw poll from way back, his chances are better than even.
https://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... c19c88338c
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japan-parts.eu reckons that the LSD (41301-17040) was standard for Rev2+, and open for Rev1:TonyleFrog wrote: ↑07/08/19 3:24
LSD was an option on Rev2s and standard on JDM Rev3 onwards.
I have seen differing opinions on whether it was an option on Rev1s.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/jp/199 ... 040#41301V
ToyoDIY backs this up, but they use the same database so thats no surprise:
https://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_19911 ... ?hl=41301V
I always thought it was an option on Rev2 as well, but the parts cat seems to disagree
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I know that early e153 was without LSD with mechanical speedo drive..and in fact I have one. Is worth absolutely nothing as you can't get parts for them..almost everything has been discontinued by Toyota. I'm in process to find out if I can use old non LSD gearbox cases and install later input and output shafts with gears selectors.What I meant..if you have MR2 turbo then E153 with LSD is the one you want.
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The sad thing is that these gearboxes are built strong enough to last, but people never change the oil in them until its to late and the gearbox eats itself.
Change the oil every 50-60,000km and they last the life of the car.
Been running Catrol Syntrax 75W-90 in mine for 20 years now and it has 236,000km on the clock with no issues.
Change the oil every 50-60,000km and they last the life of the car.
Been running Catrol Syntrax 75W-90 in mine for 20 years now and it has 236,000km on the clock with no issues.
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The japan-parts link is for LHD cars (hence the SW20L)SonicSW20 wrote: ↑07/08/19 9:20 japan-parts.eu reckons that the LSD (41301-17040) was standard for Rev2+, and open for Rev1:
http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/jp/199 ... 040#41301V
ToyoDIY backs this up, but they use the same database so thats no surprise:
https://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_19911 ... ?hl=41301V
I always thought it was an option on Rev2 as well, but the parts cat seems to disagree
http://www.japan-parts.eu/?parttt=&part ... EU&cars=ok
Unsurprisingly, it is identical with the US one.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/?parttt=&part ... US&cars=ok
AFAIK Toyota is market specific, so if you want RHD (SW20R) you won't find it in the EU listings.
Entering the same part number in the JP listings finds this.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/jp/198 ... 4130117040
Which is quite obviously the early Rev1 box. So this index is clearly incorrect re the time span.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/?parttt=&part ... JP&cars=ok
After some digging I've found this. It's easier to use than any of the others imo.
https://toyota.epc-data.com/mr2/sw20/15 ... ssis/4101/
The crossover date is Dec 1991 which suggests you're correct that LSD was stock on the Rev2.
It would be interesting to know whether jimi's official copy of the EPC supports this contention.
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TonyleFrog wrote: ↑07/08/19 3:24
LSD was an option on Rev2s and standard on JDM Rev3 onwards.
I have seen differing opinions on whether it was an option on Rev1s.
Anyway, the OP has a Rev2 so his gearbox may, or may not, have one.
Judging by this straw poll from way back, his chances are better than even.
https://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... c19c88338c
I don't know for sure if it was an option or not..the only true way to find out is via registration and or (vin) plate if the car was Originally equipped with LSD from the factory.
That straw poll is a total Mince and prove nothing regarding Rev1 and Rev2 ! Many of those cars have engines swaps and replacement..that's including the transmissions upgrades.
From my personal experience ..LSD driveshaft flange is different from non LSD passenger side. Non LSD flange splines are shorter on both sides and the long shaft with the bearing carrier from non LSD box will Not fit LSD Viscous type diff without modification as the splines are too short and the lengths from the splines end to a tapered end is shorter and the driveshaft bearing carrier wouldn't align with the bolts holes and dowel pins on the engine block.
There is a very good video on youtube which explains the deference between the axles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hELEmjt5Y4k
Here are the pics..can you tell me which LSD is??
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Both of my links are Japan market Tony, not LHD models.TonyleFrog wrote: ↑07/08/19 23:47The japan-parts link is for LHD cars (hence the SW20L)SonicSW20 wrote: ↑07/08/19 9:20 japan-parts.eu reckons that the LSD (41301-17040) was standard for Rev2+, and open for Rev1:
http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/jp/199 ... 040#41301V
ToyoDIY backs this up, but they use the same database so thats no surprise:
https://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_19911 ... ?hl=41301V
I always thought it was an option on Rev2 as well, but the parts cat seems to disagree
http://www.japan-parts.eu/?parttt=&part ... EU&cars=ok
Unsurprisingly, it is identical with the US one.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/?parttt=&part ... US&cars=ok
AFAIK Toyota is market specific, so if you want RHD (SW20R) you won't find it in the EU listings.
Entering the same part number in the JP listings finds this.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/toyota/jp/198 ... 4130117040
Which is quite obviously the early Rev1 box. So this index is clearly incorrect re the time span.
http://www.japan-parts.eu/?parttt=&part ... JP&cars=ok
After some digging I've found this. It's easier to use than any of the others imo.
https://toyota.epc-data.com/mr2/sw20/15 ... ssis/4101/
The crossover date is Dec 1991 which suggests you're correct that LSD was stock on the Rev2.
It would be interesting to know whether jimi's official copy of the EPC supports this contention.
Note the /jp/ in the link. If it was LHD US the chassis codes would end in ZZA.
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My bad.
Interestingly, if you search that site by the part number and pick the JP option the result defaults to the earlier Rev1 version. Weird.
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Yes to Vin plate, no to VRM. The latter is because:
a)the DVLA make mistakes (I have personally seen a Mk2 on a 51 plate!) and
b)VRMs can be changed (e.g. to a dateless/cherished plate).
I chose my words carefully.
Look up the definition of straw poll...
That poll received 41 votes. The thread received 36 posts, several of them from the same people.
Therefore, unless you are personally acquainted with every voter and their car, it is impossible to substantiate your 'many' claim.
Yes, I have seen it before.Absu wrote: ↑08/08/19 0:05 From my personal experience ..LSD driveshaft flange is different from non LSD passenger side. Non LSD flange splines are shorter on both sides and the long shaft with the bearing carrier from non LSD box will Not fit LSD Viscous type diff without modification as the splines are too short and the lengths from the splines end to a tapered end is shorter and the driveshaft bearing carrier wouldn't align with the bolts holes and dowel pins on the engine block.
There is a very good video on youtube which explains the deference between the axles.
It would help if I knew what exactly you're asking as I'm having difficulty in interpreting your question.
Maybe start your own separate thread for it? I'm not sure it is adding anything to the OP's.
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Yeah, the part search there has never worked right. Annoying as I much prefer their site design / layout!TonyleFrog wrote: ↑08/08/19 2:31My bad.
Interestingly, if you search that site by the part number and pick the JP option the result defaults to the earlier Rev1 version. Weird.
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It's a pity that the one I linked to can't be searched by Part #
It's not that big a deal though as it's just a matter of picking the correct model code (Complectation).
Followed by the relevant group and the appropriate sub-heading from the illustrations.
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For sure, its still very usable as long as you have a basic understanding of what you're looking for.
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Not sure if anyone has already advised this but.......
The ST205 Celica uses a E154F gearbox 90% identical parts, 5ht gear, reverse are the same, as is the small end cover, pick one up of the same vintage mine was a 1997 box.
Look on the well known auction site for one.
I recently rebuilt my 1994 E153 and used parts from the Celica ST205 box after breaking 1 gear, everything is the same apart from the selector shaft entry point into box and main input shaft with the 1st gear fixed and physical first gear as they are different ratio other than that all remaining gears are the same ration as is the selector forks, syncros.
Getting broken 5th off and new one on is not too bad and you only need to take end cover off, but I would advise you take main cover off and get as much of the old contaminated oil / silver ali bits out as possible ells reliability will be affected, clean off the magnet too.
You can position the selector forks (once selector rod is removed) to lock the input and output shafts together so you can undo the nut on the end of output shaft without them spinning, this is a top tip !
I still have the 5th gear and reverse in my shed off the Celica box if this is of any use, will have to find it but I know I do still have it.
John
The ST205 Celica uses a E154F gearbox 90% identical parts, 5ht gear, reverse are the same, as is the small end cover, pick one up of the same vintage mine was a 1997 box.
Look on the well known auction site for one.
I recently rebuilt my 1994 E153 and used parts from the Celica ST205 box after breaking 1 gear, everything is the same apart from the selector shaft entry point into box and main input shaft with the 1st gear fixed and physical first gear as they are different ratio other than that all remaining gears are the same ration as is the selector forks, syncros.
Getting broken 5th off and new one on is not too bad and you only need to take end cover off, but I would advise you take main cover off and get as much of the old contaminated oil / silver ali bits out as possible ells reliability will be affected, clean off the magnet too.
You can position the selector forks (once selector rod is removed) to lock the input and output shafts together so you can undo the nut on the end of output shaft without them spinning, this is a top tip !
I still have the 5th gear and reverse in my shed off the Celica box if this is of any use, will have to find it but I know I do still have it.
John
