Warning for all 'boy-racers'

[Chris69]

I think rather than stamping this sort of behaviour out we should find a more controlled areas to show off or practice some of our car control skills.
Yes the guy in question chose the wrong place but lets learn a bit more than "donuts are bad, lets ban anyone caught doing them or generally driving in an inappropriate manner!"

[GWrinkle]

Chris no car club in their right mind will promote this behaviour on official driving events, for the following reasons:

1. Its illegal to drive like this in a public place. If the police see you you will get a minimum 6 points and risk getting your car impounded or even crushed. It may also lead to a driving ban.

2. If you cause any damage to persons or property driving in this manner your insurance will not cover you. If you haven't enough personal assets to cover damages then the Rep who organised it and the Club could be sued ...since they organised the event.

3. Its ILLEGAL!

The only way in which the club could, and I mean could, is to hold an event on private property (obviously with the landowners written permission) but it would need specialised public liability insurance, which would include this type of activity and is very expensive . The individual drivers would also need to take out specialised insurance (assuming such insurance exists) in the same way you need special insurance for track days.

Any events of this nature are therefore 99% illegal as the insurance is either too excessive or doesn't exist and/or because its done in public carparks. What you do get the odd 1% of the time are stunt or drift displays. These are always held on private property with proper insurance.

Im not even going into how stupid it is to donut mid engine cars . If you want to do it illegally then at least choose a front engined rear wheel drive car

[fenixgears]

Good choice an i fully agree with the decision to ban them,its enough to put people off going to future meets,i would hate to get my car slapped over the head of some tube acting the wag

[Chris69]

G ,my post doesnt suggest anything near "lets do this on the public highways" as you seem to think as per points 1, 2 and 3.

I think you get the gist of it in an entirely pessimistic way. Yes, well done, private land is a good option, if we know anyone who would allow it all good. Secondly you dont necessarily need insurance tho if you crash be it on your own head (this is also the case on trackdays.) You can also sort a legal waver so if someone gets hurt they cant sue ect ect. If set up properly could be a success
Personally I dont particularly want to do donuts either but each to their own.
What im suggesting is a different option for those who do instead of just putting a downer on it.

[GWrinkle]

I dont think I'm being pessimistic at all Chris I'm more of a realist. I am a member of a number of car clubs and this very thing has been looked into before with proper legal advice. So I'm only pointing out the facts i.e. public location v private location ( nowhere did I amention 'public highways' as you stated in your post ).

Don't forget the point of the thread thread is to warn members against doing it at official runs, following an incident which took place in a public car park. If people want to do it then by all means do it but not on an official club event

[Chris69]

Ahem

1. Its illegal to drive like this in a public place. If the police see you you will get a minimum 6 points and risk getting your car impounded or even crushed. It may also lead to a driving ban.

Anyhow yes im not disputing the fact that we shouldnt do this on public roads or carparks, and certainly not saying we were too hard on the clown in question. Just stating that some of us enjoy this "max power" world and just because "Jo public" doesnt like it doesnt mean we should this-regard it entirely.
If its been looked into properly then fair enough, il leave it there.

[spanky]

In a nutshell, and to summarise some of the post since I last wrote, you can do whatever you want on you own time - go to Tescos car park and donut till you have no tires left if you wish - on an official meet, you need to act responsibly and in a way that doesn't endanger anyone else or create a bad impression of this club.

One idiot/boy racer does not have the right to to ruin the work that the admin of this site have done to build it to its current level.

I would not hesitate to do the same again, if the need arose, and I know I act with the full backing of the site admin.

[neekowinston99]

I'm surprised the club doesnt actually have measures set up for these things ie one strike a warning, two strikes and your out. just my own opinion but i think the guy probably could have done with a warning first, spanky was there a small chance you were slightly "censored" off and over reacted. in no way am i saying you should be putting people at risk but am pretty sure all of us have broken rules we regret doing. I as of yet havent been to a meet but I assumed there would be some showboating around or is that just because i have been bought up in the max power world .

[jimi]

I would not hesitate to do the same again, if the need arose, and I know I act with the full backing of the site admin.

100% backing, no one is expecting you to drive like Miss Daisy, but stupidity like that on a Club meet will not be tolerated.
As already stated what you do on your own time is your responsibility, at a club meet, sensible behaviour is all that's asked for.

[jimi]

I as of yet havent been to a meet but I assumed there would be some showboating around or is that just because i have been bought up in the max power world .

If show boating is what your wanting, I wouldn't bother coming to our meets

[neekowinston99]

I as of yet havent been to a meet but I assumed there would be some showboating around or is that just because i have been bought up in the max power world .

If show boating is what your wanting, I wouldn't bother coming to our meets

Didn't say thats what i'm interested in i'm not at all its actually rather embarasing, i said that what i expected not to the extent of some boy racers but come on your trying to tell me people on here are putting loads of money in the car (especially the turbos) and they never break the speed limit trying to show off ect.

[spanky]

In my experience of meets the 'showing off' is usually by the person with the cleanest engine bay or the newest stereo or generally the latest toys in their cars.

All our cars (with only a few examples) are similar performance whether its a MK1, 2 or 3, tubby or not. No need to show off by going fast or performing RWD acrobatics.

[Howlin_Mad]

In my experience of meets the 'showing off' is usually by the person with the cleanest engine bay or the newest stereo or generally the latest toys in their cars.

All our cars (with only a few examples) are similar performance whether its a MK1, 2 or 3, tubby or not. No need to show off by going fast or performing RWD acrobatics.

Agreed

BUT - i can see the differences between laws over here and on the Emerald Isle and the repercussions of individuals is very different over there than over here.

I've organised meets like our Blithfield run and we've exceeded the speed limit before - but i've only ever done it on roads i know like the back of my hand and when safe to do so. Never have i encouraged any daft driving like donut's in a car park!

If i wanted to thrash the car i saved it for a sprint track - no-one else to be involved and any fault i'm only going to hit a few tyres or run off into the grass. Suits me down to the ground!

If i organised a meet/convoy in the UK it was always done safely but there were a few i know of that drove out of their car control comforst zones. Not something i liked but it happened. I know of a few meets out of my region that this has happened at but the laws in the UK mean it does not come down to the meet organiser so i know why you would be "censored"$ed Spanky as i probably wouldn't organise any meets in Ireland judging by your strict policing!

I think people need to recognise and take on board the rules that Spanky et al face over in Ireland. Totally different to over here - and that's the key point.

HM

[neekowinston99]

Actually I take back what i said I didnt realise that the laws were different and it would be the organiser would get into trouble for it, in that case i definatly agree with banning the guy after all he put the organiser at liberty I appologize for the miss understanding of law differences.